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 Post subject: Sportsnet - Flames Rule, Oilers Drool
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:52 pm 
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Calgary was one point out of first place in the tough Western Conference heading into play Wednesday, while Edmonton is nestled into its annual hibernation den, dead last in the Conference. If they ever get around to putting advertising on NHL uniforms, Lotto 6/49 has dibs on the Oilers.


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 Post subject: Re: Sportsnet - Flames Rule, Oilers Drool
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 Post subject: Re: Sportsnet - Flames Rule, Oilers Drool
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Nice to feel superior, but I'm going to hold off on gloating for the time being. We haven't done anything yet.


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 Post subject: Re: Sportsnet - Flames Rule, Oilers Drool
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Well, they have completely blown expectations out of the water considering most 'experts' were picking them to be fighting for last in the West.

At this point it's just sad what the Oilers have done. The Pens and Chicago took high draft picks and turned them into championships. The Oilers had how many top 5 draft picks and they're still basement dwelling.

That organization needs a complete and total overhaul starting with the front office.

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 Post subject: Re: Sportsnet - Flames Rule, Oilers Drool
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Part of their problem is just bad luck and bad timing. They had the 1st overall pick three shitty years in a row, and they took the consensus best available player every time. If they were to go back and redo those picks, the only change they might make is taking Seguin instead of Hall.

Had they had the top picks in 2007-2009 instead of 2010-2012, they could have Patrick Kane, Stamkos, and Tavares. Management has been a problem, but they'd certainly have more to work with if they had those three instead of Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, and Yakupov.


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 Post subject: Re: Sportsnet - Flames Rule, Oilers Drool
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Very valid point.

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 Post subject: Re: Sportsnet - Flames Rule, Oilers Drool
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Thing is - Oilers coaches were directed to play the young guys "whatever the cost" by Kevin Lowe. Well the cost may have been good player development.

I'd still take Hall over Seguin, and Nuge over Landeskog or Huberdeau. IMO one of their draft mistakes was Yakupov over Murray and I thought they should have traded down to #2 and/or taken Murray instead.

Their other problem is pretty much zero success in any picks outside of the first round in the last 7 years.

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 Post subject: Re: Sportsnet - Flames Rule, Oilers Drool
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:34 pm 
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They've had a variety of issues for sure. From an outsider's perspective, it looks like they've got a deeply ingrained "we're rebuilding, so it's okay to lose" mentality going on, and they've fooled themselves into thinking that you can just flip a switch and turn that off when you think you've stocked up enough draft picks.

I just think they've also had some rotten luck. Just focusing on their 1st overall picks, on the one hand, it looks like Nuge and Yakupov could have used a little more time to develop before being thrown into the NHL. But on the other hand, if they'd drafted Kane, Stamkos, and Tavares, the player development issue wouldn't even come into play as all three were pretty much NHL ready when they were drafted.


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 Post subject: Re: Sportsnet - Flames Rule, Oilers Drool
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Short handed for no reason. The fix is in. Team tanking on purpose for McDavid.

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 Post subject: Re: Sportsnet - Flames Rule, Oilers Drool
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If the Oilers were playing near top of their potential and still failing, you could point the finger at poor/unlucky draft years etc.,but they are losing because of poor execution of fundamental NHL hockey skills. Defensive awareness, poor line changes, not knowing you're playing one man short for no reason? That is on the leadership/coaching and is compounded by the failure of management to hire a legitimate starting goaltender. They would be no worse off if Dubnyk was still in net possibly and I think certainly better if Kruger was still on the bench. Their defense looks bad but I think that's a reflection of how shitty the coaching is. Their centers could play better too. Until you see them at their best, it's pointless to point fingers at any positional needs other than goal.

As much as Lowe appears to be a bumbling, elitist bully with a sense of entitlement, it is McTavish who decided to put his stamp on the team by signing two backup goalies to defend the net and putting the team's back against the wall by firing a perfectly good coach who was starting to get results and replacing him with an unproven Eakins who could not be easily fired if things went bad. And they have gone very bad. These are inexcusable blunders in a seasonal that had zero room for any mistakes. Lowe did hire Mac T, so there's that too.

I genuinely feel kind of bad for the Oilers, to the point that it's no longer fulfilling and joyous to ridicule their perpetual state of failure, like the olden days.


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 Post subject: Re: Sportsnet - Flames Rule, Oilers Drool
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I saw one graphic that showed the GF/GA ratio - and it was the best under Kruger.

Under Eakins its the worst ratio.

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 Post subject: Re: Sportsnet - Flames Rule, Oilers Drool
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Eakins is probably part of the problem - who isn't, at this point - but I'm inclined to downplay his culpability. He did some great things with the Marlies in the AHL, and he was seen as the obvious choice to replace Ron Wilson in Toronto before they grabbed Carlyle. I think he's a good coach, but for one reason or another it's just not working with this bunch.


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 Post subject: Re: Sportsnet - Flames Rule, Oilers Drool
PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:19 pm 
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It could be because he's in the big league now.


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 Post subject: Re: Sportsnet - Flames Rule, Oilers Drool
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Found this appropriate nugget of info on HFBoards.

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Kevin Lowe - General Manager
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Craig MacTavish - Head Coach
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Scott Howson - Assistant General Manager
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2014:

Kevin Lowe - President of Hockey Operations
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Craig MacTavish - General Manager
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Scott Howson - Senior Vice President of Hockey Operations
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 Post subject: Re: Sportsnet - Flames Rule, Oilers Drool
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